Haredi Leaders Admit Herpes Testing Doesn’t Work, Want To Continue Dangerous Circumcision Practice Anyway

Posted: March 10, 2015 in Jews Suck Penis Blood
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Haredi Leaders Admit Herpes Testing Doesn’t Work, Want To Continue Dangerous Circumcision Practice Anyway

Haredi Leaders Admit Herpes Testing Doesn’t Work, Want To Continue Dangerous Circumcision Practice Anyway

“How can you be certain that at any given time the mohel doesn’t have the virus? Because he may have been tested a year ago and he may have contracted the virus since then. There’s no foolproof way of doing something like that…”

Above: Rabbi David Niederman, left; Rabbi Chaim David Zwiebel, right

The Jewish Week reports:

In what appears to be a crack in the united charedi front on metzitzah b’peh, an influential Orthodox leader said this week that the idea of banning all mohelim who test positive for herpes from practicing the risky circumcision technique is “worth looking into.”

Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive vice president of Agudath Israel of America, an umbrella organization for charedi Jews, told The Jewish Week during an extensive interview Monday that he was open to the idea if two major problems could be overcome. Both involve the fact that most adults — 73 percent, according the city health officials — have the virus, and, because it’s highly contagious, anyone can catch it at any time.

“How can you be certain that at any given time the mohel doesn’t have the virus? Because he may have been tested a year ago and he may have contracted the virus since then,” he said. “There’s no foolproof way of doing something like that, although if we could find a way of doing that and ensure a proper supply of people who will do metzitzeh b’peh, that would certainly be something worth looking into.”

Rabbi David Niederman, president of the United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg and North Brooklyn and a leader in the Satmar chasidic community, told The Jewish Week he remains steadfastly opposed to the idea, saying herpes testing would create “a false sense of security.”

“By having a test today, then tomorrow he can have it. So what added security is that at all? Should [the mohel] be tested every day? Should he be tested every half an hour? It simply doesn’t make sense,” Rabbi Niederman said. “Simply to create a false sense of security and hysteria at the same time serves no public health policy and defeats the whole purpose.”

City officials said they would welcome a discussion on such a ban if charedi leaders were to bring it to them.…

A few quick points.

• Niederman is right in the sense that, as FailedMessiah.com has repeatedly reported over the course of several years, the herpes virus is very elusive and difficult to test for. Even people in the middle of a very obvious outbreak who are known herpes carries sometimes test negative. And therefore any protocol based on allowing a mohel who has tested negative for herpes to continue to do metzitzah b’peh (MBP) is at least in part futile and places more infants at risk of serious illness, brain injury and death.
• A mohel rinsing his mouth with Listerine or 180 proof liquor is not a reliable way to stop the transmission of the herpes virus (and other viruses and bacteria, for that matter) to baby. That it may work in some instances does not change the fact that it will not work in all or likely even most instances. To rely on mouthwash to protect these babies is to unnecessarily subject more babies to the risk of serious illness, brain injury and death.
• The logical conclusion is to ban MBP.
• That logical conclusion is supported by Zwiebel’s own words. “How can you be certain that at any given time the mohel doesn’t have the virus? Because he may have been tested a year ago and he may have contracted the virus since then,” he said. “There’s no foolproof way of doing something like that, although if we could find a way of doing that and ensure a proper supply of people who will do metzitzeh b’peh, that would certainly be something worth looking into.” But the fact is that there is no way to be certain “that at any given time the mohel doesn’t have the [herpes] virus. And therefore, MBP should be immediately banned.
Why hasn’t it been? Gutless and arguably corrupt politicians like Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo who have literally sold their souls and the lives of haredi babies to get their next haredi bloc vote fix.

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